A new item to automate... the mailbox!


#1

I was just recently (Christmas Morning) taken advantage of by a mail thief. I went out to open the gate at the road and found my mailbox open. I didn’t even know a package had been delivered as Amazon’s delivery schedule was a broad week long window. The thief got lucky and found a package in my box. Fortunately, it was only a package of aftermarket inkjet cartridges worth a piddly $50 and Amazon is great about replacing packages that get stolen. However, that is only good with Amazon packages. I decided that has to stop. I am pondering how to make my mailbox a little bit safer.

I am thinking about 2 things: Securing the box once something ha been put in and notification in more than one way that the box has been opened. The first part is pretty easy. I have mains power 10 feet from my box so I could do pretty much anything I wanted electrically wise to secure it… from a hard latch that holds under power to a magnet latch that grabs the door. I can run power out and up the center of the pole and make stuff happen. The notification part I want two fold. I want it to turn a small LED on the fence, either just in a random place that makes sense to me or on the post that the gate latch is on. That LED will reset when I acknowledge and unlock the box to retrieve my mail (OR review my footage to see who the ass-hat was that was checking my box for goodies). The second part is that I want the system to notify me either via email or via text that mail has been delivered (or that the door was opened by a would-be thief). The system will need to be unlocked remotely, even on a set timer, so that it will not inhibit the mail carrier from getting in to deposit mail and packages. I figure to add a remote unlock as well so I can push a button on my phone to reset the lock while on my home network IP.

I was pondering using a typical secure mail box design and customizing it to add the doodadds for automation so that it looks just like any other security box but in a larger format for bigger packages. I live in a rural area and people do all sorts of weird crap for mailboxes so mine won’t stick out too bad or cheese off the mail carriers for not using “approved” postal boxes.

Now if I could just fgure out how to make it legal to spray liquified dog crap all over the thief, I would be patenting that design.


#2

I was just thinking about the same thing. I haven’t been hit in awhile, mostly since I am retired and home most of the time. But, it’s just a mater of time before I get nailed by some ass-hat porch thief, especially since I often order things from Banggood , Aliexpress & Amazon.

I have a rather large porch so I plan to attach a secure delivery box to the wall near the door. The box will have an “open once” lid, with a secure electric lock. It’s unlikely that I would get more than one package from two or more carriers in the same day so having the box lock after one opening shouldn’t be a problem. Since I have an RFID controller on my front door, using that system to lock and unlock the box makes sense. It would be easy to control the electric lock. I could also remotely open the box if needed. I can also send a text message notification, using a micro switch on the lid, to notify me if the delivery has been made or a second attempt was made to open the box. All RFID controllers have a tamper switch or a door opened sensor switch. Additionally, the RFID controller software can access a security system and turn on a camera to give me a look see at the intruder, all in real time, if I’m there or not.

I already plan on installing a proximity sensor on my porch to turn on the light, activate the security camera and notify me that someone is at my door, I will probably use the sensor circuit for secondary security for the delivery box since it is already connected to the house control center. If I also put a switch on my regular mail drop access door, this will alert me, when I’m home, that a package has arrived or that the mailman has come.

To insure use of the box, you could put up a sign with instruction for package delivery when expecting a package. I have a metal door so a magnetic sign is easy to put on the door or just have a permanent sign beside the door. Also, a lot of the postal websites USPS, UPS etc. let you leave special instructions for package deliveries if you create an account. As to standard mail, I have a mail drop installed in the wall beside my front door so if someone is determined to steal my bills, they would have to have very small articulated arms to reach inside the mail chute. Only large packages need to be put into the secure delivery box. Besides, if they want to steal my bills, be my guest.

The thing to remember about my design is that it uses existing systems so the only extra parts needed are a reasonably robust box with an electronic lock and a bit of additional wiring. If you are building your own smart home and you have not included an RFID door access system, here is another reason to rethink that decision. If you would like more information about RFID control systems,keypads and readers, let me know and I will post some additional information on what hardware I decided on for my installation. All together I spent about $200 on hardware for a 5 door system for my house and shop.

MisterFixIt1952


#3

I would definitely be interested in what hardware you have chosen for your project. I have not done anything with the home access system yet and RFID is on my list when I get to it. That could easily be integrated with the mailbox access controls. My gate and home are around 1000’ apart but the entire distance is either wired or long range wifi connected. I have an access point at the front gate and 3 others spread throughout the property. With the way packages are delivered, or not delivered to rural neighborhoods here, I am pondering actually making a mailbox/package vault combo or even building a package vault into the fence that works like you are planning. The mailbox would be secured but the package vault would be as well and it would be clearly marked as a package delivery receptacle. The typical delivery option is thus: If it’s postal and during the week, the mail carrier will drive it to the house if it won’t fit in the mailbox. If its postal and on the weekend, the carrier puts it in a clear plastic bag and leaves it next to the gate, whether it’s open or not. If it is fedex or UPS, it is a crapshoot and it might be delivered to the door or it might be in a plastic bag. Or it might just be left in the rain unprotected. Dumb. The vault would solve all of that. Everyone could use it.

I have decided that I am going to take my aggression out on the thieves. I have cats and LOTS of litter box filler… the dirty stuff of course. I am going to take a few of the Amazon boxes I have and fill them with used litter and a note that tells the thief they got the "s$%#t they deserved and that they were recorded on camera, which is all true. I will put one in a clear plastic bag from one of the deliveries I have already received and prop it up next to the gate and wait for someone to steal it. Then I will replace it with another one. That game can go on forever as I won’t have a shortage of boxes or cat crap. If it makes them mad and they return it, I will have them on camera a second time dumping their trash on my property. LOL


#4

just google for “packages mailbox” there are plenty of solutions availible.
they place the packages in the top compartment and when they close the lid the package will drop to the lover compartment.

the only tweak i would like to make is a notifier when a packages is delivered.
and of course point a CCTV to the mailbox for proof of (non) delivery


#5

I have looked at a lot of them. I like what DVault sells but I can fabricate a Fort Knox-worthy level of box for quite a bit less than they are selling theirs for AND add the automation items I want in my vault. The actual mailbox piece is not a big deal as my box is already sturdy enough to do what I need it to do with a few add-ons.